and my point is that it was a great game whichever way you look at it.
there arent that many games these days that give 20 hours of pleasure im afraid. i play a lot of games and unfortunately not many can compare with quake 4 - which was top just coz its only took me (and my uber skills) 12 hours doesnt mean it was arse
Pro Evolution Soccer 3 gave me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 gave me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 gave me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas gave me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 will give me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2006 gave me far more than 20hours top gaming pleasure
there aren't that many and yet i've just rattled off 6, all of which I own/have owned, am i just the king in hunting down long-life games or what?!
and as you read my post you must know that PES is not all that I play (although it is the best sports game i've ever played (Sensible World Of Soccer notwithstanding)
no you're the king of boring sports games that take ages as they're on the ps2 and you spend half you're time squinting at the tv wondering what the blobs are doing i guess sports games last longer than FPS games.
short games are not necessarily arse and in fact can be truly great but are better if they are longer, as long as they're not sports games, as they are indeed boring